SH: Well, it-it was-it was a real pleasure to be on that-on that committee. There really-I-I guess I was the most environmentally conscious advocate for, you know, a-for doing this remediation work in the-in a way that, you know, made a lot of sense for the environment as well as just for, you know, the-the tourist element, you know. A-a lot of times we are driven by-strictly by perceived economic values and not realizing that there are some-a lot of underlying economic values that oftentimes are-are overlooked and-and I'd like to talk about that a little bit later, you know, as-in looking at some of the challenges that-that have faced us in terms of environmental 00:46:40 - 2340protection. There's the economics of the Mission Trails project. We're strictly focused on, you know, how do we bring more tourist dollars? How do we increase business opportunities and so forth by, you know, improving this portion of the river recognizing that, you know, back in the sixties was when the Corps of Engineers came in and-and-and channelized all of this area, you know, turning what was a-a lovely riparian area into a drainage ditch, you know, as was happening all over the country. Probably all over the world any-anywhere the-the Corps, you know, put a-put its thumbprint. 00:47:29 - 2340Fortunately, they have had a-a-a renascence in-in their thinking and so the Corps is now looking at-or at least, sections of the Corps-you know, has been very actively over the past five or six years particularly, I guess, looking at ways that they can come back in and fix some of the problems that they created. You know, realizing that, you know, the-the way to handle flooding and water problems and so forth is not just to rush the water down to the next county and hope that they'll deal with it. You know, that's-if that-really, you know, there's a-there's a reason why rivers meander, you know. 00:48:09 - 2340There's a reason why, you know, there are shoals and banks, you know, there's-it's not just a-it's not just because it's pretty, you know. There's a real fluvial, geomorphological reason for that. On the Mission Trails project itself, one of the things that-that I can feel responsible for is as we were looking, for example, at revegetation issues, you know, I really focused on making sure that the consultants understood the importance of using natives. You know, that you don't want to come in here with a 00:48:43 - 2340bunch of crepe myrtles. I mean, as lovely as they are, you know, they have their place, but on the river is probably not it. You know, if you want to have something that looks like a crepe myrtle, you know, use a-what are those? Bloom pink in the spring. Yeah, anyway. But, you know, I mean, there's-there's a wide variety of-of-of plants that, you know, that you can use that are perfectly beautiful, well adapted, aren't going to require a lot of upkeep and, you know, also provide some food and shelter for wildlife. I 00:49:23 - 2340mean, that's-you know, we'll never restore the riparian area that existed. I mean, it's-y-you-you don't restore ecosystems like that. I mean, it's just, you know, it's a-to think of-even to-to think of trying it is-is pretty much folly, especially, you know, in an urban area where you've got lots of competing interests, you know. There's a lot of, you know-you could, perhaps, do that but you'd have so many, you know-it's-it's a-it's hard enough just to get the neighbors to-to let you not keep the grass mowed, you know. So we're coming in with, you know, varieties of native grasses and so forth 00:49:58 - 2340and so on in, you know, but we're going to maintain them in such a way that there's, you know, there's some compromise associated with that. Keep-you know, to keep all the neighbors happy, but will still accomplish some of our major goals, which is to, you know, to restore the system to something that is at least more sustainable. Yeah, and also attractive at the same time. So there's, you know, lots of trade-offs associated with any kind of work like this.