So I think that his childhood mainly was brought up with his father, August Zentner, and his mother, Caroline, trying to start a, I would say, a saloon, as you could see a saloon in the 1900s. And he stayed pretty much with that. So my dad grew up with that same type of background. I think after awhile, Dad, I have to say, was not very settled into staying-oh I'm absolutely sure he wasn't settled into-