CR: Well once-the first group to Mexico, every summer, when I was at A & M, we took wildlife majors between their junior and senior years, we went down and camped out for six months-six weeks, six weeks. And that's where I learned my Spanish because I had to go and-in and buy food for us, you know, and sometimes to get the kids out of a little bit of trouble. Or to explain when we had visitors, you know, to come by. And so my Spanish is-is a usable Spanish, like they use in Mexico. Which is the third worst Spanish in the world. Costa Rica is next and Cuba is worst. As far as the-the Spanish people-people say. But anyway, we went down and-and stayed six weeks and camped out all together and the kids would work half of the time with me in my camp on botany, and the other half of the time with-with (inaudible) Doc Davis, the birds and-and mammals. Then half way through we'd change-change the kids in that, then we'd get the other set. And all my collections in my first set went to A & M and their collections, and the second set went to SMU. All-all the way through my second set, usually collected in-in triplicates, and sometimes quadruplicates, but my second set always went to SMU.DT: And where were you in Mexico?0:21:56 - 2142CR: Well, let's see, we worked in Guerrero, the Mex-the state of Guerrero. DT: This is in Taxco, that area?0:22:02 - 2142CR: Uh huh. And we---and-and the state of Mexico, which surrounds the District of Federal. And, in fact, the only publish-publication I had was, I checked leafed plants from the state of Mexico. And we camped all over, you know, and-and on the way down when it was time to stop in the evening, we'd just pull over to the side of the road and set up our cots and spend the night. And we were never molested at all. But I wouldn't do it now for all the money in the world, you know? It's no longer safe to do that sort of thing. But we-we-some of our camps went above nine thousand feet and some were down there near sea level. And-and we just gave the kids-it was so nice because as I told you earlier, you can sneak in knowledge without their knowing it, thinking they're having fun when they're in a field trip.DT: How do you mean?0:23:04 - 2142CR: Well, it's just-when they're all interested in collecting, you just talk along and they remember what-what you tell them. And then after I went to Tech, we had-after the Sputnik, the government supported summer institutes for high school teachers and I would take these high school teachers in a chartered bus to Mexico for a week. And I had a lot more trouble with those teachers getting into trouble than I ever had with the-with the Aggies. They-they-they just knew what to do and they didn't-and they'd eat the wrong kind of food and get sick or get into some problems. I had one girl-we stayed in a motel, and it said in English, Shallow, Do Not Dive. And she dove in, split her head open. And she said, well no Mexican doctor is going to work on me. I said 0:24:08 - 2142fine, just bleed to death, as far as I was concerned, you know? Her own head, this is racist, you can cut things out can't you? I had two Negro students one time and we-we-I gave them the weekend off in Monterrey, and about three in the morning, there was hammering on my door and one of them came over and wanted some money. They'd been to a whorehouse and they kept one as a hostage and sent the-sent the other one in to get money to get out of the-let them go out of the whorehouse. They'd-they had a box of candy they didn't know existed. But-so we went down there like that and then since then, I-I usually spring break, I-I nearly always took somebody to-deep into Mexico, nearly-nearly to Mexico City, usually. DT: What would be a typical day of sampling for plants?0:25:11 - 2142