LS: We've got-in East Texas we've got five wilderness areas that total about 35,000 acres, and vary in size from about 3500 acres up to about 13,000, and--these areas varied considerably when they were designated as wilderness. One thing that's important to note is that the eastern United States has very little genuine old-growth left, especially in the South, because the areas were very accessible to timber-cutting. We're looking at almost exclusively second-growth forests--second-or-third-growth forests here. And so, as a result, all of these areas that are wilderness have seen some degree of logging in the past and have seen some degree of management for timber. But they do represent some of the best-preserved examples of the forest we have, and once they were designated as wilderness those timber management activities ceased, and so I think just in the last 11 or so years that they have been designated a wilderness they've seen quite a bit of change. One, there's no salvage logging can happen in there now, and-whereas salvage and control of southern pine beetle is a priority on non-wilderness lands, the pine beetle is just considered a natural process in the wilderness, so in many instances there's no effort made to halt that. It's simply a predator-prey relationship that's allowed to go on, so we have seen some considerable-sized infestations in wilderness. And, as a result, those areas, which formerly had been dominantly pine, will possibly or probably go towards either a mixed condition or a hardwood-dominated condition, so we're definitely seeing some changes being set up for the future, as far as changes in composition. Any areas that did have roads were closed, for the most part, unless it was an essential access road to an in-holding or a private tract of land, just--some rare exceptions. So, areas that you once could drive to or get pretty close to, you may have to walk several miles to get into now, so it's certainly increased the resources for solitude and for the physical challenge of getting in and orienteering, navigation. And-one thing that's really encouraging about the designation of these wilderness areas is that research has shown that in old-growth areas, you have a greater specialization of trees or a greater-you see a greater separation of trees, based on an individual species' ability to compete under certain conditions. And so, whereas disturbed areas are a whole lot more homogenous than undisturbed areas, like wilderness or old-growth forests, you see trees that can compete best under certain conditions migrating to those particular conditions, and you see distinct ecotones which divide and separate these different stands as they sort of get settled out to where they can best compete and...