And then I think the second thing, it's just a personal thing, it's-you know, I've always been into animals and viewed them as-as equals in a way. And that they're these living, breathing beings who have as much right to the world and its resources and a decent life as we do. And 00:22:27 - 2231you know, I-we've been to these stockyards and these pig factories and, you know, I was definitely-definitely not a nice place to be. And this just-these animals are going through their own personal Holocaust day in, day out and the only reason that-that I see that they would ever stop the practices that they're-that they use to raise and slaughter these animals is because of the effect it has on humans. You know, as far as pollution or, whatever, the smell. Nobody seems to care that these-these beings are going through this nightmare, I mean, an incredible nightmare. If we wrote a story about it, about a 00:23:16 - 2231human going through it, it would be this terrible thing. But people just don't seem to care, I mean, meat comes from a supermarket. You know, they don't seem to care that, well, the animal had no life before they killed it. You know, which I think is a tragedy, and that it's a shame that people have lost sight of these beings, you know, and that they have feelings. Well, I suppose some people don't believe that they do, you know, but they have these complex societies that they live in in their natural habitat and I think we should at least allow them to have that before we kill them. You know. DT: You talked about some of the wildlife and some of these animals that we consider livestock. What do you think about the people you've met and their own lives and attitudes and personalities?00:24:21 - 2231